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	<title>Comments on: NTTVBG 3: Vanessa and Virginia &#8211; Susan Sellers (2008)</title>
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		<title>By: Miscellaneous Stories &#187; Other Stories</title>
		<link>http://blog.otherstories.co.uk/2010/03/vanessa-and-virginia/comment-page-2/#comment-2983</link>
		<dc:creator>Miscellaneous Stories &#187; Other Stories</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 12:37:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a nice post today about reading biographies of Woolf versus reading fictionalized accounts, such as the previous NTTVBG choice, Vanessa and Virginia by Susan [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Claire (Paperback Reader)</title>
		<link>http://blog.otherstories.co.uk/2010/03/vanessa-and-virginia/comment-page-2/#comment-2796</link>
		<dc:creator>Claire (Paperback Reader)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 15:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Kirsty, I posted about the book today after not finishing it in time to enjoy the discussion; I found it very interesting so thank you for suggesting it!

Like you I thought that people who had prior knowledge of Vanessa &amp; Vriginia&#039;s life would fare better with it and that there was a certain assumption on the part of the novel that a lot was pre-known; to a certain extent I don&#039;t think that the novel works itself as a piece of fiction as there are too many unanswered questions (i.e. the sexual abuse only being implied) but then we all have different expectations of what a novel should provide.

Most of my Woolf secondary material, including Lee&#039;s biography, is at home at Glasgow with the novels here in London, so when I go home next week I&#039;ll be sure to bring them back with me. I want to devour the biography and diary now and Virginia&#039;s novels that I haven&#039;t yet read; reading Vanessa &amp; Virginia made me crave more, more than reading To the Lighthouse a few weeks ago did!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Kirsty, I posted about the book today after not finishing it in time to enjoy the discussion; I found it very interesting so thank you for suggesting it!</p>
<p>Like you I thought that people who had prior knowledge of Vanessa &amp; Vriginia&#8217;s life would fare better with it and that there was a certain assumption on the part of the novel that a lot was pre-known; to a certain extent I don&#8217;t think that the novel works itself as a piece of fiction as there are too many unanswered questions (i.e. the sexual abuse only being implied) but then we all have different expectations of what a novel should provide.</p>
<p>Most of my Woolf secondary material, including Lee&#8217;s biography, is at home at Glasgow with the novels here in London, so when I go home next week I&#8217;ll be sure to bring them back with me. I want to devour the biography and diary now and Virginia&#8217;s novels that I haven&#8217;t yet read; reading Vanessa &amp; Virginia made me crave more, more than reading To the Lighthouse a few weeks ago did!</p>
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		<title>By: Happy International Women&#8217;s Day! &#187; Other Stories</title>
		<link>http://blog.otherstories.co.uk/2010/03/vanessa-and-virginia/comment-page-2/#comment-2608</link>
		<dc:creator>Happy International Women&#8217;s Day! &#187; Other Stories</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 09:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I go on, I want to say a big THANK YOU to everyone who popped in for yesterday&#8217;s Not the TV Book Group discussion on Vanessa and Virginia by Susan Sellers. I never fail to be delighted by how many threads and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I go on, I want to say a big THANK YOU to everyone who popped in for yesterday&#8217;s Not the TV Book Group discussion on Vanessa and Virginia by Susan Sellers. I never fail to be delighted by how many threads and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Colette Jones</title>
		<link>http://blog.otherstories.co.uk/2010/03/vanessa-and-virginia/comment-page-2/#comment-2605</link>
		<dc:creator>Colette Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 07:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kirsty asked:   Does the author intend for us readers to have a certain level of knowledge in mind?

I think in this case, yes, the author expected us to know quite a lot.  It didn&#039;t succeed for me, but I also do not think it would succeed if I did know.  I think then all the references with no background would irritate me.  One single reference to &quot;Rupert&quot; for example (he died).  There is certainly an assumption there (I had googled by this time) that I would know the significance of that person, but the person was not significant in the book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kirsty asked:   Does the author intend for us readers to have a certain level of knowledge in mind?</p>
<p>I think in this case, yes, the author expected us to know quite a lot.  It didn&#8217;t succeed for me, but I also do not think it would succeed if I did know.  I think then all the references with no background would irritate me.  One single reference to &#8220;Rupert&#8221; for example (he died).  There is certainly an assumption there (I had googled by this time) that I would know the significance of that person, but the person was not significant in the book.</p>
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		<title>By: Danica M. Rice</title>
		<link>http://blog.otherstories.co.uk/2010/03/vanessa-and-virginia/comment-page-2/#comment-2598</link>
		<dc:creator>Danica M. Rice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 03:44:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Abi, you really made me think about something... the power of visual imagery.. The way she described her art actually reminded me of Van Gogh&#039;s biography &quot;Dear Theo&quot;.. has anyone else read that???  I love Van Gogh&#039;s work, and learning about his eccentricities made me appreciate the value of being an artist moreso than I may have normally.  So, in turn, this book made me think about the visual arts again and despite having read Dear Theo over a year and a half ago, it rang true for me in some similar fashions... Did anyone else have this experience? If not with Dear Theo, then perhaps with another artist&#039;s writings??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abi, you really made me think about something&#8230; the power of visual imagery.. The way she described her art actually reminded me of Van Gogh&#8217;s biography &#8220;Dear Theo&#8221;.. has anyone else read that???  I love Van Gogh&#8217;s work, and learning about his eccentricities made me appreciate the value of being an artist moreso than I may have normally.  So, in turn, this book made me think about the visual arts again and despite having read Dear Theo over a year and a half ago, it rang true for me in some similar fashions&#8230; Did anyone else have this experience? If not with Dear Theo, then perhaps with another artist&#8217;s writings??</p>
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		<title>By: ana</title>
		<link>http://blog.otherstories.co.uk/2010/03/vanessa-and-virginia/comment-page-2/#comment-2593</link>
		<dc:creator>ana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 01:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gosh!! Apologies for being late, but have just taken last family member to airport after our daughter&#039;s wedding on Saturday evening.  Fitting in the reading around the festivities.  It is a marvellously flexible thing, the online reading group, as many have noted already!!  

Loved Abi&#039;s comments on the way Sellers writes about the creation of visual art.  This writing was revelatory to me as well.  What a delight  to experience the artistic process and to have Vanessa&#039;s imagined evaluation of what she had achieved,  realising so often what had been revealed.  These passages were the &#039;aha&#039; moments for me.   

The shared &#039;you&#039;  Sue A mentions also worked for me.  It emphasised quite powerfully the real connection between them, that one could imagine existed.  Such a connection is not always a pleasant experience of course, but  real, vivid and intense.

Writing from the imagined perspective of Vanessa did in interesting ways &quot;redress the balance&quot;  It is Virginia who is so much better known through her writing.  Like many of you, it encourages me to explore her artworks,  quite  unknown to me at the moment. Are many of you familiar with the paintings?

Thanks so much for having us to your home, Kirsty.  It is a very long time since I have been to Oxford,  over thirty years actually, so you can imagine what a pleasure it has been.  Great reading choice, BTW.  My library copy is a hardcover from Houghton Mifflin Harcourt.  The design is exquisite and has enhanced the reading experience.  Was hard to find at local libraries, but the City of Sydney Library had the best taste, holding three copies in various branches.  Well done to them!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gosh!! Apologies for being late, but have just taken last family member to airport after our daughter&#8217;s wedding on Saturday evening.  Fitting in the reading around the festivities.  It is a marvellously flexible thing, the online reading group, as many have noted already!!  </p>
<p>Loved Abi&#8217;s comments on the way Sellers writes about the creation of visual art.  This writing was revelatory to me as well.  What a delight  to experience the artistic process and to have Vanessa&#8217;s imagined evaluation of what she had achieved,  realising so often what had been revealed.  These passages were the &#8216;aha&#8217; moments for me.   </p>
<p>The shared &#8216;you&#8217;  Sue A mentions also worked for me.  It emphasised quite powerfully the real connection between them, that one could imagine existed.  Such a connection is not always a pleasant experience of course, but  real, vivid and intense.</p>
<p>Writing from the imagined perspective of Vanessa did in interesting ways &#8220;redress the balance&#8221;  It is Virginia who is so much better known through her writing.  Like many of you, it encourages me to explore her artworks,  quite  unknown to me at the moment. Are many of you familiar with the paintings?</p>
<p>Thanks so much for having us to your home, Kirsty.  It is a very long time since I have been to Oxford,  over thirty years actually, so you can imagine what a pleasure it has been.  Great reading choice, BTW.  My library copy is a hardcover from Houghton Mifflin Harcourt.  The design is exquisite and has enhanced the reading experience.  Was hard to find at local libraries, but the City of Sydney Library had the best taste, holding three copies in various branches.  Well done to them!</p>
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		<title>By: Kirsty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kirsty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 20:39:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simon, nice link between this and Shaw! I hadn&#039;t thought of it like that but I think you have a good point there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simon, nice link between this and Shaw! I hadn&#8217;t thought of it like that but I think you have a good point there.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirsty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kirsty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 20:37:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Annabel, you make a fair point about suspension of disbelief, but I still wonder, why choose to fictionalise a real person rather than start from imaginative scratch? Does the author intend for us readers to have a certain level of knowledge in mind?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Annabel, you make a fair point about suspension of disbelief, but I still wonder, why choose to fictionalise a real person rather than start from imaginative scratch? Does the author intend for us readers to have a certain level of knowledge in mind?</p>
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		<title>By: Simon (Savidge Reads)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon (Savidge Reads)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 19:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Margaret &amp; Annabel no one is ever late, thats the joy of the NTTVBG.</description>
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		<title>By: Simon (Savidge Reads)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon (Savidge Reads)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 19:52:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am really pleased that Abi brought up the fact of how well Sellers paints the picture, as it were, through Vanessa. I wonder if maybe that was part of the appeal of writing from that perspective or an advantage as its a perfect way to write in more depth and capture everything in such a way?

Oddly thats made me wonder why Shaw made Midas a photographer in the last NTTVBG book? Maybe its an additional writing device.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am really pleased that Abi brought up the fact of how well Sellers paints the picture, as it were, through Vanessa. I wonder if maybe that was part of the appeal of writing from that perspective or an advantage as its a perfect way to write in more depth and capture everything in such a way?</p>
<p>Oddly thats made me wonder why Shaw made Midas a photographer in the last NTTVBG book? Maybe its an additional writing device.</p>
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